Дайри умерли, а я ещё нет.
Случайно наткнулась на чудесный пост с разбором 6х13, с поиском метафор, параллелей и обоснуя, написанный с большой любовью к.
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Now River - as surely as her father - declares her love more important than the whole universe. And - like her mother - readily defies destiny, causality and the nexus of time itself ‘for a boy’. The difference being that added to this mindset, River was born with the abilities and traits of a Timelord, and she can actually follow through.
River has the power and the drive to force her will onto the world. And that will is very much shaped by who she is and what she wants and who her role models are (the Doctor, her parents).
"Well you said time was not the boss of me, so fuck it!"
I’ve always found Ten refusing Wilf’s gun to be the absolute height of selfishness. Now I don’t mind selfishness per se, but what I can’t forgive is that he’s not honest about it.
“Don’t you dare put [the Master] above the world!” says Wilf, but Ten doesn’t just dare - he dares to justify! But he doesn’t say ‘The Master is more important to me than the whole of the human race’ - which, whilst kinda worrying, is at least understandable, and straightforward. No, he tries to use his moral code as justification. (I know that he goes on to talk about how he’s no innocent, but it’s still unbelievably arrogant. I’ve never liked him less and I genuinely think it’s his lowest moment, far moreso than Mars.)
Now in contrast, River, here, is deadly earnest and honest - killing him is killing her. She does not want to murder the man she loves - a man beloved by the whole universe - by being used as a pawn in someone else’s game.
And in both LKH and TWORS, it’s a kiss which kills and saves. In the latter case it’s even the same kiss. The symbolism and mirroring is off the scale.
...the solution to the Doctor’s preordained death hinged on something terribly simple: Straight up subterfuge. Rather than using any kind of great *power*, the Doctor quite simply lived up to his Trickster-nature and, well, tricked everyone.
‘The Curse of the Black Spot’ turned out to be a big metaphor from start to finish...
There was the mark of Certain Death (/fixed point), which turned out to be something else. There was the Siren/Mermaid who rose from the water, who turned out to be a doctor. (And she sang.) There was the fact that everyone had to go to a parallel world in order to sort things out. There was the necessity of confirming a marriage in order to save the man who was dying...
And finally there were continued adventures, with everything different and yet the same, and the pirates thought dead in their old world...
As a matter of fact the whole season has been killing the Doctor. They’ve just been doing it in stages:
1. A Good Man Goes To War. The Doctor’s self image dies:
RIVER: Doctor? The word for healer and wise man, throughout the universe. We get that word from you, you know. But if you carry on the way you are, what might that word come to mean? To the people of the Gamma Forests, the word "Doctor" means mighty warrior. How far you've come.
2. Let’s Kill Hitler. The Doctor physically dies.
This is one reason why his cheat works at the end, because killing him outright twice? Well, that’s a little much.
3. The God Complex. The Doctor kills Amy’s faith in him, and vice versa.
It’s all about seeing each other for who they really are, and not hiding anymore.
4. The Wedding of River Song. The death of his reputation.
Now going back to the beach, the other thing that makes me OK with it is the Abraham parallels. Kierkegaard has a whole chapter on this - the testing of Abraham’s faith, by God asking him to sacrifice his son. And it is only at the last minute, when knowing that Abraham will go through with it, that God sends an angel to stop him and point out a substitute sacrifice.
Because the Doctor was going to go and be killed. We saw him running, we saw him argue, we saw him stopped dead in his tracks when hearing of the Brigadier’s death. And it’s only then - when he has arranged for the letters to be sent out and resigned himself to his fate - that a way out presents itself.
Ненавижу эту притчу. Буду проводить параллель с Гарри Поттером))
Now about the Teselecta, specifically. I rather love it. When it was introduced, the Doctor made no bones about his opinion, but what made me terribly happy was the fact that the Teselecta, in this episode, spelled out the fact that what it did wasn’t so different from the Doctor’s mission - refusing to apologise, or somehow see the Doctor as morally superior - and that the Doctor didn’t argue with this - as a matter of fact he took the mirroring all the way, by putting on the Teselecta.
And hey, me being me, here are a few examples of the Doctor ‘giving people hell’: Cassandra, Rachnoss, Family of Blood, Silents, House.
Really, the episode was terribly simple: It was a wedding, and two became one.
Несколько цитат:
Now River - as surely as her father - declares her love more important than the whole universe. And - like her mother - readily defies destiny, causality and the nexus of time itself ‘for a boy’. The difference being that added to this mindset, River was born with the abilities and traits of a Timelord, and she can actually follow through.
River has the power and the drive to force her will onto the world. And that will is very much shaped by who she is and what she wants and who her role models are (the Doctor, her parents).
"Well you said time was not the boss of me, so fuck it!"
I’ve always found Ten refusing Wilf’s gun to be the absolute height of selfishness. Now I don’t mind selfishness per se, but what I can’t forgive is that he’s not honest about it.
“Don’t you dare put [the Master] above the world!” says Wilf, but Ten doesn’t just dare - he dares to justify! But he doesn’t say ‘The Master is more important to me than the whole of the human race’ - which, whilst kinda worrying, is at least understandable, and straightforward. No, he tries to use his moral code as justification. (I know that he goes on to talk about how he’s no innocent, but it’s still unbelievably arrogant. I’ve never liked him less and I genuinely think it’s his lowest moment, far moreso than Mars.)
Now in contrast, River, here, is deadly earnest and honest - killing him is killing her. She does not want to murder the man she loves - a man beloved by the whole universe - by being used as a pawn in someone else’s game.
And in both LKH and TWORS, it’s a kiss which kills and saves. In the latter case it’s even the same kiss. The symbolism and mirroring is off the scale.
...the solution to the Doctor’s preordained death hinged on something terribly simple: Straight up subterfuge. Rather than using any kind of great *power*, the Doctor quite simply lived up to his Trickster-nature and, well, tricked everyone.
‘The Curse of the Black Spot’ turned out to be a big metaphor from start to finish...
There was the mark of Certain Death (/fixed point), which turned out to be something else. There was the Siren/Mermaid who rose from the water, who turned out to be a doctor. (And she sang.) There was the fact that everyone had to go to a parallel world in order to sort things out. There was the necessity of confirming a marriage in order to save the man who was dying...
And finally there were continued adventures, with everything different and yet the same, and the pirates thought dead in their old world...
As a matter of fact the whole season has been killing the Doctor. They’ve just been doing it in stages:
1. A Good Man Goes To War. The Doctor’s self image dies:
RIVER: Doctor? The word for healer and wise man, throughout the universe. We get that word from you, you know. But if you carry on the way you are, what might that word come to mean? To the people of the Gamma Forests, the word "Doctor" means mighty warrior. How far you've come.
2. Let’s Kill Hitler. The Doctor physically dies.
This is one reason why his cheat works at the end, because killing him outright twice? Well, that’s a little much.
3. The God Complex. The Doctor kills Amy’s faith in him, and vice versa.
It’s all about seeing each other for who they really are, and not hiding anymore.
4. The Wedding of River Song. The death of his reputation.
Now going back to the beach, the other thing that makes me OK with it is the Abraham parallels. Kierkegaard has a whole chapter on this - the testing of Abraham’s faith, by God asking him to sacrifice his son. And it is only at the last minute, when knowing that Abraham will go through with it, that God sends an angel to stop him and point out a substitute sacrifice.
Because the Doctor was going to go and be killed. We saw him running, we saw him argue, we saw him stopped dead in his tracks when hearing of the Brigadier’s death. And it’s only then - when he has arranged for the letters to be sent out and resigned himself to his fate - that a way out presents itself.
Ненавижу эту притчу. Буду проводить параллель с Гарри Поттером))
Now about the Teselecta, specifically. I rather love it. When it was introduced, the Doctor made no bones about his opinion, but what made me terribly happy was the fact that the Teselecta, in this episode, spelled out the fact that what it did wasn’t so different from the Doctor’s mission - refusing to apologise, or somehow see the Doctor as morally superior - and that the Doctor didn’t argue with this - as a matter of fact he took the mirroring all the way, by putting on the Teselecta.
And hey, me being me, here are a few examples of the Doctor ‘giving people hell’: Cassandra, Rachnoss, Family of Blood, Silents, House.
Really, the episode was terribly simple: It was a wedding, and two became one.
А вот параллели с притчей про Авраама (
Но тут сложный момент, когда именно Доктор решает не умирать, когда узнает о смерти Бригадира или, когда Теселекта предлагает помощь и ему вдруг в голову приходит слишком заманчивая идея, чтобы от нее отказаться.
Кстати, я все хотела сказать, мне-то как раз очень понравилось, что Ривер отказалась Доктора убивать, я была в восторге от ее эгоистичного, да мне больнее всех во вселенной. Я ее не узнавала, когда она рыдая несла какой-то бред, про то, что его любит целая вселенная и смогла это принять только, когда вглядевшись в неправильную последовательность, но это мы уже с тобой обсуждали.
Она же так на родителей похожа
Все ради любви. Именно схожесть любви которая выше всего я заметила
Но то как она на родителей похожа, это же просто получается!
О да они могут ей гордиться. )
Really, the episode was terribly simple: It was a wedding, and two became one
Вот точно
Когда и как он сам изменил решение, я пока не поняла. Как раз узнав о смерти Бригадира, он вроде перестаёт бороться.
Кайла., там в исходном посте это расписано с капсами и цитатами! И действительно, про Рори и Эми это говорилось прямым текстом.
Alexandera, Бригадир - друг Доктора, с какого-то момента - глава Юнита; он появлялся в классике на протяжении долгих лет, и однажды, кажется, в "Приключениях Сары Джейн". Игравший его Николас Кортни умер в начале года.
Если здесь появится кто-нибудь из знающих олдскул, он, надеюсь, скажет лучше.
Мне кажется, что Доктор на самом деле шел на свою смерть, а когда узнал о смерти Бригадира, можно сказать "опустил руки". И именно в этот момент, когда он разговаривал с Теселектой, он понимает "а шанс то есть")
На самом деле, как бы ни шли дела, как бы Доктор себя ни ненавидел, в глубине души он никогда не хотел умирать. Это же Доктор, он так любит жизнь, но это известие о смерти у озера его очень подкосило. Фиксированная точка о времени звучала как приговор. Вот он и убегал от нее двести лет. Двести лет это очень много даже для Доктора.
Мне кажется, что он решил выжить во что бы то ни стало, когда отправился искать вопрос за ответ на который его убьют. Возможно это было неосознанно, но он уже в тот момент выбрал борьбу. А потом, когда узнал вопрос и еще через минуту о смерти Бригадира, это вернуло его в то состояние отчаяние с которым он покидал Крейга. Не удивительно, что в итоге он все-таки схватился за первый подвернувшийся вариант, хотя это и грозило серьезной опасностью для вселенной.
С этим я полностью согласна. Но желание покоя, желание отдохнуть, освободиться это вовсе не желание смерти, смерть это не покой, это просто конец, после нее ничего нет, ни прощения, ни освобождения, абсолютно ничего.
Не зря же он оттягивал ее так долго, а потом когда тянуть уже было дальше некуда решил сыграть в последний раз.
У 9ого это еще не так видно
а вот у 10ого и 11ого это сложно не увидеть. Особенно кстати у 10ого в спешлах